Here's an amateur video a brother did at the grave of Imam Ahmed bin Isa in Hadhramaut!
N-Joy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShwDiiAbQM0
Student
video of Imam Ahmed bin Isa al-Muhajir
video of Imam Ahmed bin Isa al-Muhajir
salamz!
Here's an amateur video a brother did at the grave of Imam Ahmed bin Isa in Hadhramaut!
N-Joy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShwDiiAbQM0
Student
Here's an amateur video a brother did at the grave of Imam Ahmed bin Isa in Hadhramaut!
N-Joy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShwDiiAbQM0
Student
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salamz Br. Mystic!
You're funny!
Were you asking about Imam Ahmed bin Isa or Ahmed bin al-Qaasim?
Regarding the imamate of Imams as-Sadiq and al-Baqir:
The concept of imamate in Zaydiyya is slightly different from imamate in the other Shia groups. To the Zaydiyya, imams are divided into basically 3 categories:
1. imam of knowledge
2. imam of justice
3. Imam of both knowledge and justice
An imam of knowledge is basically a scholar of the family of the Messenger (saws) that is known for his piety and unparallelled for his knowledge of the sciences of the deen. Even though he may issue fatawa, he does not fight to establish justice.
An imam of justice is a leader from the family of the Messenger (saws) that fights to establish justice on the Earth. He is charismatic and courageous but having extensive knowledge of the deen is not required.
An Imam of knowledge and justice is a scholar and leader from the family of the Messenger (saws) that is known for his piety, unparallelled for his knowledge of the sciences of the deen, and fights to establish justice on the Earth.
Even though all three are imams (lowercase "i"), it is only the third category that the Zaydiyya use a capital "I" for Imam. In other words, the Imam has to be knowledgeable and establish justice to be considered the Imam.
Imams as-Sadiq and al-Baqir fall in the 1st category because they are known for their knowledge. But since they did not openly establish justice, they cannot be considered a capital I "Imam".
Imams like Ali, al-Hasan, al-Hussein, Zayd ash-Shaheed, al-Hadi, and Mutawakkal fall into the 3rd category.
I don't know about the other 12er Imams though. I know that the Zaydiyya consider Ali bin Musa ar-Rida as an imam from the 3rd category.
I can't think of anyone that falls into the 2nd category offhand, though.
I hope this helps you!
your brother,
Student
You're funny!
Were you asking about Imam Ahmed bin Isa or Ahmed bin al-Qaasim?
Regarding the imamate of Imams as-Sadiq and al-Baqir:
The concept of imamate in Zaydiyya is slightly different from imamate in the other Shia groups. To the Zaydiyya, imams are divided into basically 3 categories:
1. imam of knowledge
2. imam of justice
3. Imam of both knowledge and justice
An imam of knowledge is basically a scholar of the family of the Messenger (saws) that is known for his piety and unparallelled for his knowledge of the sciences of the deen. Even though he may issue fatawa, he does not fight to establish justice.
An imam of justice is a leader from the family of the Messenger (saws) that fights to establish justice on the Earth. He is charismatic and courageous but having extensive knowledge of the deen is not required.
An Imam of knowledge and justice is a scholar and leader from the family of the Messenger (saws) that is known for his piety, unparallelled for his knowledge of the sciences of the deen, and fights to establish justice on the Earth.
Even though all three are imams (lowercase "i"), it is only the third category that the Zaydiyya use a capital "I" for Imam. In other words, the Imam has to be knowledgeable and establish justice to be considered the Imam.
Imams as-Sadiq and al-Baqir fall in the 1st category because they are known for their knowledge. But since they did not openly establish justice, they cannot be considered a capital I "Imam".
Imams like Ali, al-Hasan, al-Hussein, Zayd ash-Shaheed, al-Hadi, and Mutawakkal fall into the 3rd category.
I don't know about the other 12er Imams though. I know that the Zaydiyya consider Ali bin Musa ar-Rida as an imam from the 3rd category.
I can't think of anyone that falls into the 2nd category offhand, though.
I hope this helps you!
your brother,
Student
I was asking about Ahmad Almuhajir bin Isa ? Do you have his bio too ?
Also what is the zaidi defense for Imam Zain ul Abideen (as) imamate ?
The 12rs always attack Zaidia this way.
In history we have Ismail bin Jafar (as) who took out his sword and fought. Also he had great knowledge Any Zaidi opinion on him ?
Also what is the zaidi defense for Imam Zain ul Abideen (as) imamate ?
The 12rs always attack Zaidia this way.
In history we have Ismail bin Jafar (as) who took out his sword and fought. Also he had great knowledge Any Zaidi opinion on him ?
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salamz!
Insha-Allah, a biography is forthcoming!
Regarding the Zaydiyya view of Zayn al-Abideen Ali bin al-Hussein (as), as far as I know, he is considered an imam of of the first category.
In the 12er vs. Zaydi debates, the 12ers ask "How could you consider Zayn al-Abideen an imam when he didn't fight to establish justice?!" Of course, the 12ers assume that the Zaydi concept of imam is the same as theirs. However, once it is clear that the Zaydiyya have the 3 categories of imams and that Imam Zayn al Abideen is not the same type of Imam as Ali, al-Hasan, or al-Hussein, then the argument is mute.
Regarding Ismail bin Jafar, that's a good question! Maybe one of the seasoned scholars can answer that one!
By the way, regarding examples of the 2nd category of imam mentioned before, maybe the brother of Imam ar-Rassi, Muhammad bin Ibrahim falls under that category. Another example of a category 2 imam is Mansur billah Ali bin Salahudeen. As far as I know, these two imams were just imams of justice.
I hope I was helpful!
The Student
Insha-Allah, a biography is forthcoming!
Regarding the Zaydiyya view of Zayn al-Abideen Ali bin al-Hussein (as), as far as I know, he is considered an imam of of the first category.
In the 12er vs. Zaydi debates, the 12ers ask "How could you consider Zayn al-Abideen an imam when he didn't fight to establish justice?!" Of course, the 12ers assume that the Zaydi concept of imam is the same as theirs. However, once it is clear that the Zaydiyya have the 3 categories of imams and that Imam Zayn al Abideen is not the same type of Imam as Ali, al-Hasan, or al-Hussein, then the argument is mute.
Regarding Ismail bin Jafar, that's a good question! Maybe one of the seasoned scholars can answer that one!
By the way, regarding examples of the 2nd category of imam mentioned before, maybe the brother of Imam ar-Rassi, Muhammad bin Ibrahim falls under that category. Another example of a category 2 imam is Mansur billah Ali bin Salahudeen. As far as I know, these two imams were just imams of justice.
I hope I was helpful!
The Student
If you can't find it then its not a problem.
On the other hand, do you have the bio of Imam Yahya bin Zaid (as) or Imam Esa bin Zaid (as)
I don't know much about them expect that Imam Yahya bin Zaid (as) revolted after Imam Zaid and a result was also crucified and left on the cross for 2 years.
Imam Esa bin Zaid (as) i believe joined Imam Nafs-az-zakiyah (as) and attained shadaath.
That's all i know about them. Do you any more about these 2 personalities ?
On the other hand, do you have the bio of Imam Yahya bin Zaid (as) or Imam Esa bin Zaid (as)
I don't know much about them expect that Imam Yahya bin Zaid (as) revolted after Imam Zaid and a result was also crucified and left on the cross for 2 years.
Imam Esa bin Zaid (as) i believe joined Imam Nafs-az-zakiyah (as) and attained shadaath.
That's all i know about them. Do you any more about these 2 personalities ?